Christian leadership often celebrates strength — gifting, vision, productivity. But Scripture keeps pushing us somewhere counterintuitive: to weakness, dependence, and the kind of leadership where God’s power is the point, not ours. In this episode, Dave Harvey unpacks the core message of The Clay Pot Conspiracy: leaders don’t fall because they’re weak — they fall because they hide it. And when we cover our limits, protect our image, or outrun our character, we step away from the very place where God works most powerfully. We talk about the quiet patterns that shape leaders over time, why vulnerability is essential for integrity, and how embracing our fragility isn’t a liability but the doorway to sustained, God-dependent ministry. For pastors, ministry leaders, and anyone who wants to lead without pretending to be strong, this conversation offers a clear, honest, and deeply hopeful path forward. Show Notes Purchase Dave’s Book: https://a.co/d/5GNqVtk Learn more about Dave’s work: https://revdaveharvey.com/ Support the Podcast Support us on Patreon Website: thatllpreach.io IG: thatllpreachpodcast YouTube Channel