Jordan Peterson has recently released a new book, Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life, a follow-up to his enormously popular 12 Rules for Life. My friend Joseph Minich joined me for a discussion of the book and some of the themes that it raises.

See more of Joseph’s work over on the Pilgrim Faith podcast and his Plausible Faith podcast series. He has also written the book Enduring Divine Absence: The Challenge of Modern Atheism.