I’ve followed Paul VanderKlay’s YouTube channel for some time. Paul is a minister in the Christian Reformed Church of North America, based in Sacramento. Seeing a profound interest in deep conversations with young men in particular following the rise of Jordan Peterson, he has made such conversations a key dimension of his ministry and now has a large following and extensive engagement with a demographic that so many other ministers are uncertain of how to reach. He recently invited me to have a conversation with him on his channel. We had a long call yesterday and this was the result.

You can also listen to the conversation in podcast format on Podbean or iTunes.