How to Disagree Without Losing Your Mind (on the That’ll Preach Podcast)

I was recently invited onto the That’ll Preach Podcast to discuss ways to reform our discourse. Take a listen!

When God Leads Through Weak People — with Dave Harvey That’ll Preach

Christian leadership often celebrates strength — gifting, vision, productivity. But Scripture keeps pushing us somewhere counterintuitive: to weakness, dependence, and the kind of leadership where God’s power is the point, not ours. In this episode, Dave Harvey unpacks the core message of The Clay Pot Conspiracy: leaders don’t fall because they’re weak — they fall because they hide it. And when we cover our limits, protect our image, or outrun our character, we step away from the very place where God works most powerfully. We talk about the quiet patterns that shape leaders over time, why vulnerability is essential for integrity, and how embracing our fragility isn’t a liability but the doorway to sustained, God-dependent ministry. For pastors, ministry leaders, and anyone who wants to lead without pretending to be strong, this conversation offers a clear, honest, and deeply hopeful path forward. Show Notes Purchase Dave’s Book: https://a.co/d/5GNqVtk Learn more about Dave’s work: https://revdaveharvey.com/ Support the Podcast Support us on Patreon Website: thatllpreach.io IG: thatllpreachpodcast YouTube Channel
  1. When God Leads Through Weak People — with Dave Harvey
  2. What the Early Church Thought About the End of the World — with Michael Svigel
  3. Learning to Pray with the Book of Common Prayer — with Jonathan Kanary
  4. Replay: What Every Christian Can Learn from the Church Fathers
  5. The Case for Baptizing Children (Part 2): A Follow-Up to My Interview with Samuel Parkison

The ‘Sin’ of Empathy? (with Hannah Anderson and Joe Rigney)

The moral character of empathy has recently been a subject of contentious online debate among Christians. Joe Rigney and Hannah Anderson, who have both engaged in these disputes with their different concerns, join me for an extended discussion of the question, hoping to clear up some misunderstandings on both sides, and to break some differences down to size.

Within the conversation we mention various articles and other material.

Joe Rigney
The Enticing Sin of Empathy
Dangerous Compassion
Do You Feel My Pain?
Man Rampant Interview

Abigail Dodds
The Beauty and Abuse of Empathy

Paul Bloom
The Case Against Empathy
Against Empathy

Edwin Friedman
A Failure of Nerve
My summary of A Failure of Nerve

Brené Brown
On Empathy
Daring Greatly
Shame and Empathy